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route_0062012-05-16 12:44 am
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HMD | May 2012
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Re: Rocket whatnot
While I do see the point here, I think in that comment you linked me to you may be missing the point of the missions board as a whole. Those are prompts for jobs that can be done rather than having to do any sort of set requirement in terms of stealing, yes; the point that was brought up in argument against that was the following:
It's full time job like being cooped up in labs or mandatory weekly catching and to be honest neither are appealing OR allow for freedom. One would interrupt traveling and trying to anything constantly if players were even remotely decent with it instead of handwaving it and the other would mean they COULDN'T do any of that.
Again, I understand the point being made here.
What's not being taken into consideration, however, is the fact that the missions board is not an actual restriction; it's something to be used to give us ideas for ways that our characters can assist the team, and if it sparks something, then that's great, we can sign up for it. If it doesn't, then we can suggest alternatives to what's there. Malik, for example, has already done so in asking if he can assist at one of the Game Corners; he did this very early on, and the mods were perfectly fine with it.
For another example, Kimblee here is odd about cleanliness, particularly when it comes to his clothes. I brought it up to the mods that he would be a rather unwilling participant in the last event because of that; at my request, he was put up in Mahogany Town instead to run signal interference - because he knows the old base's layout and the locations of all its traps, he could better defend it should someone try to break in and cause trouble for him than a grunt or a new Rocket member, and he would be less made of UGH NO when it came to doing the mission itself and so he would stay on-task and be less likely to get distracted or try to come up with excuses to avoid everything. Ara joked with me a bit by calling it a "special snowflake" mission, but the point is that he was reassigned to something he could do, simply because I asked.
Those prompts are not the only things we are allowed to do within TR. If your character would be an asset in another way that would not involve stealing or the jobs listed, bring it to a mod directly.
Re: Rocket whatnot
(Anonymous) 2012-05-18 05:07 am (UTC)(link)As I understand it, it's been made clear that it has to be a "full time" job of some kind. Not to mention that, if a character happens to not have a mission during a week, is sick, or is trying to do something villainous on their own, and so on, those things would conflict heavily. I am not saying, I want to reiterate, that these are bad prompts in themselves, it's how they're being enforced that almost takes away the idea of BEING a prompt.
Now all of that sounds very good. Getting custom jobs for characters, the works, that sounds great. That's also not really written anywhere around for players who might want to apply for a Rocket. All it says is "you have to catch a Pokemon once a week OR ELSE" which is what brought this up. Which gets back to my other point, what if they're busy during a week and can't do a mission or steal? With the handwaving, sure it's handwaved away, but since we're handwaving anyway why not just make it optional?
That said, I would still like to ask again, to you and the general other anons replying. Why would it being optional, truly optional ICly, be so bad?
Re: Rocket whatnot
(Anonymous) 2012-05-18 05:14 am (UTC)(link)Pretty sure 'full time job' doesn't mean 'something you do every day'. It's something you do regularly. And I don't think it is as rigid as you make it sound. The mods have given plenty of wiggle space.
That's also not really written anywhere around for players who might want to apply for a Rocket. All it says is "you have to catch a Pokemon once a week OR ELSE"
It may have before, but now it says you are required to perform Rocket duties. What those duties are are negotiable, but they are required, and they're required on a regular basis. The basic duty would be to provide Pokemon, but for those who don't want to or want to do something else, they don't have to. They just have to do something.
Why would it being optional, truly optional ICly, be so bad?
Because it doesn't make sense ICly for an organization to just let their members run loose until they decide to have some big event. It doesn't work that way.
Re: Rocket whatnot
What I'm saying is that you're getting into the general area of intentionally missing the point. Other options have been presented to you and you're completely ignoring them in favor of complaining that you aren't winning others over to your side. "It's not written anywhere for new players" is not the problem you're really addressing here. The problem you keep bringing up here is that you don't like it, and there's no way to get you to like it as-is, and presumably you're not going to app a Rocket until you do like it.
Not everyone gets their way in-game. Part of the reason the handwaving exists is to present an IC reason for Rockets to stay on within the team if they don't want to play all of this out for whatever reason. However, you said in that comment thread you linked that you're setting IC justification aside as a separate argument, which isn't something that should happen, period, if we're discussing a roleplay setting.
Do I think that the FAQ could stand to be rewritten? Yes, of course, to figure for the missions board and the like. However, you can't speak for anyone but yourself. If the FAQ is confusing and others want to app in, I'm certain they have solid enough brains in their heads to ask questions there. Or perhaps they could ask others in-game, as you are. However, plenty of people here have given you options for how you, personally, could make this work, and yet you're continuing to complain on behalf of a lot of hypothetical people. I honestly don't see why this is bothering you so much, as you haven't given any solid reasons.
We have given you reasons why we're okay with it. You are completely ignoring those reasons in favor of nitpicking irrelevant points and disregarding any alternatives brought up to you. At this point I don't know what to tell you, anon, other than "Don't app a Rocket at this time if you dislike this so much."
(Also, for the sake of reference and because this was going to drive me up the wall if it wasn't said -
Team Rocket, in no form of media, has had such restrictions forced on them.
...Pokémon anime. Jessie and James, as well as Butch and Cassidy, went on frequently about making quota. Take that as you will, but in some form of media, Team Rocket did, indeed, have theft restrictions.)
Re: Rocket whatnot
(Anonymous) 2012-05-18 05:47 am (UTC)(link)The amount of Pokemon Jessie and James have stolen in over ten years can be counted on one hand. We have no idea what their quota was, but it clearly didn't matter much. While they did mention it, do notice how their constant failing never got them kicked out either.
We have given you reasons why we're okay with it. You are completely ignoring those reasons in favor of nitpicking irrelevant points and disregarding any alternatives brought up to you.
I can't see how I've done that, or what I've done to deserve this kind of treatment other than be anon, and I'm glad I am given the kind of response I'm getting here. I have also not disregarded alternatives, I've said, again and again, that I like the alternatives, but at the end of the day I find it too over the top to force weekly things on characters because I find that that takes away a lot of freedom. If you handwave it to the point you pretend it doesn't happen, that's good for you, but if you do, why does it need to be required so that it's even an issue in the first place?
Part of the reason the handwaving exists is to present an IC reason for Rockets to stay on within the team if they don't want to play all of this out for whatever reason.
But that, for the final time, doesn't change the fact that it still has to be done. Once a week, a character still has to go out and steal something. Not playing it out does not and will not change that, and that's a ridiculous and downright silly thing to force on people.
If I'm going to be attacked for having a problem, on a meme where being able to submit your problems is the entire POINT, then I'll just leave with having stated my points. I never intended for this to turn into such an argument and I'm not sure how it went that way at all.
I've never said that any of this should be stopped or stealing is wrong, simply that there could be alternatives to the current way of going about things, which I find extremely restricting. Making them optional would change virtually nothing about how you play now and I fail to see why you and others are making such a big deal out of it when the people it definitely WOULDN'T effect are the people already playing Rockets now.
Re: Rocket whatnot
What do you want to happen? You aren't providing alternatives, which is what everyone else here has done for you. In all seriousness and sincerity, what are you even wanting to happen here?
Re: Rocket whatnot
(Anonymous) 2012-05-18 06:04 am (UTC)(link)I'll say it bluntly. Make it optional. Make it optional with incentives. Make it not WEEKLY even. I suggested above, make it so only Execs have it weekly whereas Grunts have it monthly or something. There are a lot of things you could do, and honest to god nothing even needs to be DONE other than it HAS to be done.
Jessie and James, who you brought up, are the perfect example of what a Rocket who doesn't steal might be like. They goof off, screw around, and never steal anything. They're still Rocket members, show up for the movies aka events, and they try to steal when they can.
But I'm done, so say and feel what you will. I offended you or any of the other Rocket players in any way, I had no intention of doing so.
It's up to the mods and they'll do what they will. Good night.
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(Anonymous) 2012-05-18 06:07 am (UTC)(link)Re: Rocket whatnot
If you don't like how things are done, don't join the Rocket cast at this point. Those of us in the cast don't think it has to be done. Several have apped in without it having to be done.
Enjoy your evening.