A big fat plot idea is coming to town

[killer_sweets]

Hello route, this is your mad as a hatter, Dawn. no drop here instead I need some help. Some of you on plurk probably already know what's this is about. It started with me thinking of a neat idea for a plot and ending with me thinking up this crazy collaborative effort to bring in fresh ideas for the game. I'm crazy and tend to over-think at times. Hopefully this will be one of those time where it comes in handy.

The suggestion that is over here.

I'm going to send in my suggestion later this week to see hows it goes. But I'd like you guys input for rest as I just have march ^^;;. If you got questions or suggestions put them in the comments please.

Thanks for your time.

Comments

[last_to_kneel]

I think it's a great idea! Having something like this will put a lot of the newcomers into a state of alert and could draw some to take action. It's brilliant!

[killer_sweets]

Thanks, I was thinking of a good way to stir things up for them.

[last_to_kneel]

I think it's a really good start. Can't have a world without a little drama mixed in for effect.

[best_laid_plans]

This sounds like a lot of fun and could lead for good team-building CR to fight off the threat. I'm all for it!

[last_to_kneel]

I was thinking that too!

[killer_sweets]

Oh gosh, team-building and a high chances of hearts breaking.

[last_to_kneel]

Yeah, that too. I think it's definitely a good chance of that. A very high chance, actually. I can just see the two girls that he already has strong CR with being very worried already. Varon generally travels alone so he's a good target for that but he won't go down without a fight.

[urbaninja]

Well, I gave it a skim, and it sounds awesome. I need a bit more time to think and come up with any ideas but I like it.

[killer_sweets]

Take your time~

[bitetheapple]

Ooh I like this! Good chance for cr and excitement. I'm down

[infinitejustice]

Sounds awesome to me! This has also sort of given me an idea for a plot to get approval to run in April or May. I just need to flesh it out first.

[these_balls]

Hey, Dawn! Just wanted to keep you and everyone in on the same page and let you all know that while it's all in the working stages and you're all plotting, March is definitely too early to shoot for with a plot of this caliber, especially with what's already been planned for this month. April is most likely the better time to shoot for, but it'll give you more time to brainstorm!

[nasa_dreams]

Looks amazing! Hey, any idea what's going on with our side thing, by the way?

[dreamsofahero]

While some of the plot sounds all right in concept, I have to admit I'm incredibly iffy on the use of Mewtwo for it. The main reason being that Route 29 is based primarily on the games' world, with an added twist, and the games have pretty explicit canon as to what happened with Mewtwo when. And Mewtwo is truly one of a kind by the game canon, as opposed to many (or most) other legendaries (such as the birds, the beasts, mew, celebi, etc) which are simply exceedingly rare, but of which there's a definitely possibility of there being more than one. Not to mention it seems a bit... out of character for ANY version of Mewtwo to go to such a roundabout scheme (anime Mewtwo everyone knows, game Mewtwo is a vicious mutant, Special Mewtwo is a whole other story...), so I'm having a hard time seeing the motivation here. What does Mewtwo gain out of it that's so special? Why target just the newcomers instead of any old trainer? Etc.

So basically I think the idea's interesting, but I'm really iffy on the way it's set up. There doesn't seem to be a good reason why the antagonist is doing what they're doing, and using a legendary that has pretty explicit canon makes me pretty leery of the whole idea, especially since apping canon pokemon characters to Route is not allowed in the first place.

My suggestion: have a slightly more down to earth antagonist who's trying to grab power for a specific reason (fame, power, wealth, revenge, etc) and who found a tricky way to manipulate a powerful pokemon (or a large number of less-powerful pokemon) to achieve their ends. Or, heck, it could be a random fluke of an experiment or natural event gone HORRIBLY WRONG and turning certain people/pokemon crazy or otherwise influencing them, and something has to be done at the source to stop it. Either way there's a plausible motivation, and we aren't running afoul of established game canon. Just my two cents.

[kingofgamecorner]

Oooh, I do like the idea of an experiment gone wrong. That's very in line with the overall premise, after all. And a mirroring mishap would be a nice set-off!

If you have it with some Rocket member messing things up badly- or maybe even getting it right, or somewhere in between, that's even better!

[dreamsofahero]

Yeah, that's kind of exactly what I was thinking, really. I personally love more "human" antagonists (whether actually human or not) for major plots and events, since it adds an extra layer to everything. ^_^ Some Rocket being involved in triggering things would also work well--heck, that's basically the premise of this entire RP, after all!

[killer_sweets]

Those are good points. I'll try to clear somethings up here. The plots are user suggestoin for something that mods to do with help from the player based. So the characters wouldn't be apped per say they'd be npcs helping to move along the over all plot played by mods. Like Archer and Ariana. Mewtwo doing something like this fits more in being effected by the dimensional rift created by team rocket.

I'm using game mewtwo. They don't give him a set personally which allows for good room to work with. Plus he'd be located in Cerulean Cave which will make getting to easier. Not to mention you can say he was never caught by anyone since you can get him in other games. He's been in observing humans through his abiltes for a long time now. He's already learn what he can from the humans here there isn't much too them. But the newcomers are a much different. Who's to say he didn't go a little psycho because of the rift in general.

There have already been pokemon that have gone crazy or beccome agressive because of the direct actions of team rocket. Other times it's just doing something in response to during migrations or their general behaviors like the Shedinja which stole people souls.

Mewtwo is different in that he is a product of team rocket that escaped that is highly intelligent and he's going to be doing things not by instincts but pure calculated intent. It's something that the newcomers haven't encountered before.

In a way it's a reversal of the norm in this world. Mewtwo is acting a like trainer capturing newcomers and then using them to get more newcomers in the process. With the over all goal of collecting them all.

[dreamsofahero]

The problem I have with Mewtwo is that in the games, it is a wild pokemon, and there's no indication that anyone ever recaptured it, whether Team Rocket or otherwise. To say the plot started with Mewtwo escaping Team Rocket implies that Team Rocket had it in the first place here. Also, it's the very lack of characterization of Mewtwo in the games that concerns me- all of the information that IS given indicate that it's a vicious, ruthless mutant. Look at its pokedex entries across the generations, there's nothing that suggests that game!Mewtwo would even bother with any elaborate schemes, that's an invention of the anime and Special. In fact, the games basically never suggest that Mewtwo is particularly intelligent or cunning, just powerful and vicious. So while I could see an event being based around Mewtwo rampaging or something, it's hard to imagine a game-verse plot with it pulling something like this.

With that said, the plot idea sounds interesting in general, if you take out the Mewtwo element. Honestly, I think it would work BETTER without Mewtwo being involved, as Mewtwo comes across feeling like a deus ex machina, but that's just my personal opinion.

[killer_sweets]

Techically it's a man-made pokémon not just a mutant one. Plus with how the route works pokémon have been show different degrees of intelligence depending on how players want them to be portrayed. There isn't anything to suggest that it wouldn't be just as smart as it is powerful.

I can say this about the deus ex machina. You can catch Arceus, pokemon god in the video games. That shouldn't be possible but it is.

I do get where your coming from through but I just want a plot where a pokemon is going out of it's way to do something about the newcomers. Instead of it being a human or a cause of a new experiment gone wrong. Mewtwo is the best candidate to me.

[dreamsofahero]

I'm quite aware of Mewtwo's origins, but I use the term "mutant" because that's definitely the concept behind it in the games. Something unnatural that's been changed from its original form. Man-made mutations, perhaps, but even so.

And deus ex machina means in regards to plot, not game mechanics. Having a god isn't the same as having a god appear to change things for no apparent reason. Greek plays were chock full of gods, often falling into ungodlike behaviors, but the cliché of the "god of the machine" only applied to the particular circumstance of a god suddenly appearing out of nowhere to fix things for no apparent reason. Which is what I'm getting at here.

I just want a plot where a pokemon is going out of it's way to do something about the newcomers.

....honestly, one of the many, many other legendaries would fit the bill much better for this idea, in my opinion. Maybe not in your exact scenario, but there's PLENTY of "guardian"-type pokemon, most of them legendary, even, who may take issue with a lot of strange trainers trampling all over their territory. Celebi would be pretty near perfect for such a role, and it's a Johto legendary, even! But I frankly can't see Mewtwo as being one of them, or even caring about the newcomers, period.

[killer_sweets]

There is a problem with that actually there aren't legendaries that would fit into what I want for this sort of plot. As there are only two regions open so the only legendaries are: the Mew duo, legendary birds, legendary beasts, Tower duo and Celebi.

Out of them the only ones that are psychic types are Lugia, Celebi, Mew, and Mewtwo. For this particular plot a psychic type is needed. Lugia already been used for a plot. Celebi doesn’t have anywhere as near justification for attacking humans in such a way even if they are strange. Not to mention Celebi is a shy and playful creature by nature.

Mewtwo has a lot of potential though to work with this. As I see it is wants strong opponents it wants a challenge to prove its strength since that was it purpose in life. However if you think about it it's already stronger than all of the pokemon in cerulean cave. It probably already knew that only the strong can enter his cave. Only the player character is able to defeat it in the end.

Now with route involved it would witness a tread that it's never encountered before. A lot of newcomers at this point have extremely strong pokémon. It would want to face them at some point to prove it strength but being around for a while it would get more intrigued about the trainer themselves than the pokémon since they’re the ones that are making those pokémon strong. Newcomers equal new strength is what mewtwo would see. Now while testing this new strength would be good. Controlling it would be more beneficial. If he controls these newcomers; he could fight them against them against him anytime he wants, he could use them as a way to see if anything truly worth fighting against, he can have them breed strong and skilled opponents. That's how the plot would come about.

[killer_sweets]

I want to thank you by the, in a way this is helping a lot. When I started I had a lot of loose ends and random ideas. I think i got a good grasp on what way I'm going with this now.

[dreamsofahero]

See, I think you're missing the point of what I'm saying here, so let me simplify:

Plot involving newcomers being turned against each other = potentially AWESOME

Plot involving a pokemon (or several) reacting negatively to the flood of newcomers = potentially AWESOME

Mewtwo, specifically, doing the things you outlined for the reasons (or lack thereof) given = noooooooooooot something I can say I'm cool with at this point!

Your plot idea, in terms of characters turning against each other, can definitely 100% potentially work. Your idea of having a pokemon reacting to the newcomers can ALSO work. It's just combining the two in this particular way that it feels like you're stretching it. The reasons you're giving for Mewtwo being the "only option" makes it feel like you're just trying to shoehorn it into the role for sake of having a legendary pokemon, and you're totally ignoring the possibility of having another, separate plot to fit the bill of having a pokemon reacting.

I know I would be more than happy to help brainstorm and flesh out ideas for either or both plot options, and I think a lot of other people here would feel the same. But it's definitely concerning to me that you're basically thinking that this one idea is the only possible way for the plot to work, first of all because it doesn't feel like a plausible setup right now to me, and secondly because I can speak from literally years of RP experience that any major RP plot will not go according to plan. Ever. So if there's only one way it could possibly work, then it's going to be terribly hard to play out, since you'll NEED to be flexible to actually run an event like this. So there's a nickel's worth of free advice, there.

In any case, you asked for input, and that's what I have to say about it. I think both parts of the idea are sound- messing with people to having some good old PvP action, and having a powerful pokemon REACT to all the newcomers- but I don't think they work well combined as you have them, and I'm especially still very uneasy about Mewtwo's apparent role in proceedings, as it feels very out of character and inconsistent with game canon to me.

[kingofgamecorner]

Just to break in and double check, when you say newcomers.

You mean all of the world-pulled characters, right?

Aside from the Mewtwo problems, I can see some real problems if you mean literally the newer characters (however recently that would be).

[killer_sweets]

Yeah it means all of the world-pulled characters. I haven't thought of a good term to used so I stick with that.

It would be silly to be using only the newest characters for this. I have a method to my madness and I'm still working on my suggestion but I wouldn't do that.